Episode 3 (ft. Mike Warner): Playlists are here to stay, but you shouldn't pay to get on them
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Episode 3 (ft. Mike Warner): Playlists are here to stay, but you shouldn't pay to get on them

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Mike Warner
Author, Work Hard Playlist Hard (https://gumroad.com/a/550745203)
Artist + Label Relations, Chartmetric
Manager + Producer, Date Night


[3:32] Interview with Mike Warner begins

[5:14] My original tweet claiming that "playlist placement isn't artist development":

[5:41] My email newsletter issue about our new "post-playlist" reality:

[11:48] There are many other resources online about how to "optimize" your Spotify profile for discoverability and follows, such as on this blog:

[17:35] Spotify shut down third-party playlisting pitching service Spotlister for breaching the former's terms of service, as illuminated in an investigation by The Daily Dot:

[22:42] Playlist SEO is real, and there are ways artists can use it to their benefit (instead of, you know, for scamming people):

[29:00] As I and a few other writers have covered recently, the role and power of music publicists has changed rather dramatically over the last five years in the wake of streaming and other digital trends:

[32:40] Keith Jopling's blog post about the future of playlist innovation for MIDiA Research:

[33:51] Spotify launched a collection of horoscope playlists in January 2019, in collaboration with "resident astrologer" Chani Nicholas:

[38:32] Overrated/Underrated segment begins

[38:51] Facebook announced new music licensing deals in India, Thailand, Vietnam and other markets across Asia during SXSW:

[39:40] In January 2018, a study by Diffusion Group found that 50% of adult Facebook users in the U.S. had never heard of the free Watch video service, while 24% had heard of it but never used it.

[42:42] Around Spotify's launch in the U.S., the streaming service relied heavily on Facebook for acquiring users and spreading a reputation of the service as "social-friendly."

[43:18] Spotify launched in India in February 2019—but without some clickbait-friendly legal action from Warner Music Group.

[46:00] In December 2019, Indian streaming service Saavn merged with the music arm of Reliance Jio, one of India's biggest telcos:

[47:05] Deezer is known for relying heavily on telco partnerships for customer acquisition, even if those customers don't stay around for long—leading to a phenomenon that MIDiA Research has called "zombie users":

[47:21] Here's a recap of the most-streamed songs on Spotify India in the first week:

[48:55] Apple is expected to launch a video subscription service later this month:

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